Jumpin Jupiter is Back in Business
The Maplewood club has settled with the state for the third time this year.
The Jumpin Jupiter's doors are open again.
For the third time this year, owner Jim Callahan has lost then regained his license to do business in Maplewood. All three times were for nonpayment of state taxes.
He lost it then settled with the state, for the first time, in a week in June and July.
After losing the license a second time, in November, owner Jim Callahan drove to Jefferson City to clear his record.
Two weeks later Maplewood Police cleared the venue on a Sunday night because he hadn't met his tax obligations to the state, and the city had pulled the license for a third time.
Now, just in time for an already scheduled New Year's Eve show, The Jumpin Jupiter's state taxes have been paid.
Friday morning at 11:30 Callahan showed his 'no tax due letter' to city clerk Karen Scheidt at city hall. She said she called the state to comfirm the letter.
More on Jumpin Jupiter in Patch:
- Jumpin' Jupiter's Sidewalk Advertising Offends, Owner Jim Callahan Responds, June 19
- Unpaid Taxes to Close Jumpin' Jupiter Doors on Friday, Would Lose Business License, June 27
- Jumpin' Jupiter's Doors to Stay Open; Gets OK From the State, License from City, July 3
- Jumpin' Jupiter Accused of Sales Tax Non-Payment, Nov. 26
- Owner is a No Show at Jumpin' Jupiter License Revocation Hearing, Nov. 27
- Jumpin Jupiter Stays Open, State Taxes Paid at Last Minute, Nov. 30
- Jumpin Jupiter Patrons Leave When Maplewood Police Arrive Sunday Night, Dec. 17
Burlesque Mom
11:04 am on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Doug yet again you have shown your irresponsibility in your reporting and your true intent which is to try and damage the reputation of a business you clearly have a personal vendetta against. The Jupiter did in fact completely catch up their taxes however it wasn't "just in time" for a New Years Eve show as New Years is next week. The show they re-opened for last night was in fact a CHARITY event for the USO of Missouri. That's right, after everything they held a CHARITY event to raise money to help the soldiers and USO of Missouri and on top of that donated a wealth of tickets to the USO to give to soldiers passing through Saint Louis for the Holidays. Interesting how every REAL news outlet in Saint Louis including the TV Stations covered the HUGE charity event they held yet you just made a snippy article trying to attack them YET AGAIN.
William
10:31 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
B-Mom, since you've only been on the Patch since Dec 3rd, you probably aren't aware of the long history regarding the antics down at the Jumpin Joint. Take a look at some of the past articles going back to June (oh I forgot, they ALL are hatchet jobs, right?); there's no way anybody could do more damage to JJ's "delicate reputation" than what JJ folks have done to themselves
To wit: 1) Public notice of eviction for unpaid rent in excess of $40k, 2) Shut-downs on 3 different occasions by the State for failure to pay owed Sales taxes (Hmmm, I wonder why nobody else seems to be having these problems?), 3) Police closing down the Joint after owner continued to operate without a license (and after receipt of a certified letter informing him he no longer had an operating license), 4) Employees serving public notice that they wouldn't work at the Joint anymore because they weren't being paid ("just a bunch of liars"); 5) Dancers out hustlin' on the street, 6) yadda, 7) yadda, 8) yadda....
One thing is starkly obvious: The standard M.O. at the Jumpin Joint is intimidation and bullying--deal with problems by throwing lots of sand and blaming anybody else but the guy in the mirror. The plan seems now to try and intimidate the Patch editor into turning a blind eye to the JuJo's many and continuing self-inflicted wounds.
But keep talking! You're doin' a great job of endearing yourselves to the entire community and, as a result, you may, just possibly, wear out your welcome.
Doug Miner
12:09 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
Again, if a Maplewood business opens or closes, that's what's news. I would think Mr. Callahan would be happy that Patch has reported that Jumpin Jupiter is now open again. Thanks for commenting on Patch.
Jh
4:17 pm on Saturday, December 29, 2012
I wish this place would just go away. "Bourbon Street" is a fun place to visit, but not a great place to raise a fsmily.
Burlesque Mom
9:21 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
William I am well aware of the "long history" of the Jumpin Jupiter. My daughter has been performing at the Jupiter since before the beginning of Summer. All businesses have troubles, especially in their first few years of business however most businesses don't have a "reporter" that stalks their every move and then slants the stories every way he can in order to make it seem even worse. The funny thing about slander/libel is it doesn't have to be an outright lie, if you constantly report things that are slanted from the truth in an attempt to damage a business it's considered slander/libel.
As far as the standard M.O. of Jupiter you couldn't be more wrong. My daughter has never had a single complaint about working there. Jim and the rest of the management have treated her with the utmost respect, she loves going to work there and she has ALWAYS been paid on time. The performers that weren't "paid on time" in fact were quabbling over ONE missed payment out of the $80k plus they squeezed from Jupiter and those same performers publicly slandered/libeled the club and have since tried to threaten the current JuJu performers (my daughter included) with physical violence.
Doug as far as what is news you are correct it is news if a business opens or closes however are you saying it's NOT news that they did a huge charity event? The real newspapers and television stations in town thought it was. Are you saying you are more news then they are? I think not!
Hortence Jones
6:19 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
"As far as the standard M.O. of Jupiter you couldn't be more wrong. My daughter has never had a single complaint about working there. Jim and the rest of the management have treated her with the utmost respect, she loves going to work there and she has ALWAYS been paid on time." - well, YOUR daughter is only one of over a hundred performers and artists that have worked there, most much longer than she has and she is outnumbered by a long shot on this complaint. She must be ridiculously naive to not pick up on this, and ultimately lucky to have not dealt with these issues.. because they are real.
I can speak from experience there were at least 3 bounced checks and ONE failed and disregarded payment to VEP which was literally used as blackmail, and in total over 20 bounced checks to individual performers all within a few months. That one instance caused an additional 10 bounced payrol checks to individual performers. That is not slander, those are the facts, my bank charged me for their F*&# ups, it's well documented, this is a mute point I can't believe you try to argue!?. Those situations were the final straw that sent an entire performance ensemble out the door all at once, and adhering to professionalism standards in this industry no one was afraid to vocalize it - the public should know when shit is shady. Then 40k in back rent generates an EVICTION NOTICE by the landlord - which is 'worked out', then 3 instances of unpaid sales taxes. Sounds like news to me!
Burlesque Mom
6:34 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Hortence as a matter of fact NO you are wrong. People with class don't air their dirty laundry. The posts by VEP were nothing but an attempt to hurt the reputation of a business they had already milked every last scent out of. Such business matters are of no concern to ANYONE but the parties involved unless you are trying to hurt someone and then if even ONE fact stated was false (which there were numerous) its SLANDER. Also VEP bouncing their own checks is no one's fault but their own, maybe they should verify they have funds before writing checks. They should have handled their business in private like a PROFESSIONAL person does. Or you know MAYBE they shouldn't have been demanding rates they CLEARLY didn't deserve. I have worked for 35 years in sales and I am paid on RESULTS. If I don't sell I don't get paid. Same goes for VEP if you don't bring in the crowd you promise, or you pull performers to go out of state and leave your B crew YOU don't get paid. Again in over HALF A YEAR my Daughter has always been paid on time without instance as has every performer she works with. I find it EXTREMELY interesting how none of them have any issues since they work for the same venue. That says pretty clearly to me it was VEP's issues/fault more so than the JuJu. I listen to both sides of every story but based on my daughters experiences, and the fact that VEP threatened violence against my daughters troupe its clear who the one in the wrong and lying is. VEP
Burlesque Mom
6:38 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
As far as the rent and back taxes I say again ALL businesses have growing pains, the company I work for had growing pains. In this economy especially we are ALL struggling to make it the difference is other businesses don't have people with PERSONAL issues "reporting" or otherwise attacking said business. You show me the records of any business in Saint Louis and I would bet 3/4 or more of them have had a late payment, a bounced check, or other issues. It's just unfortunate that crazy harassing stalkers are allowed to be "reporters" and that half-assed over glorified diva's are allowed to act immaturely and unprofessionally and that people are foolish enough to listen. I would put my daughters troupe and show against VEP any day of the week! They have more creativity, talent, drive, maturity, beauty, CLASS and ORIGINALITY then VEP could DREAM of having.
Hortence Jones
7:04 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Wow you are a piece of work lady. 95% of that is BS
"Also VEP bouncing their own checks is no one's fault but their own, " - no, it was a check (multiple actually) written by JJ to VEP that bounced... Hell my instances of bounced payroll checks were directly written by Jim himself, TO ME, as an individual private contractor and some bounced.- Chew on that. Wrap your head around this- VEP's relationship with JJ was as a vendor like any other.. Lets say Budweiser vends beer to JJ, JJ sells the budweiser to patrons, then budweiser got a check from JJ, which in turn pays the delivery driver, the brewmaster, the route scheduler etc. The beer sold for a profit, but multiple payments due to the vendor bounced and the entire staff at budweiser didn't get paid as a result and incurred service charges at their bank. Now somehow that's Budweisers fault? Routes get shut down, people have to seek other work, JJ doesn't have any budweiser, and fans and friends of Budweiser and JJ and the route driver's tight pants begin to complain and question because they're thirsty for the now missing budweiser, rumors circulate with no factual basis. So budweiser decides to make a statement about the situation to clarify the cause and effect. TRANSPARENCY. Seriously, with ANY VENDOR, if you screw up your trust and relationship like that other vendors should be forewarned. Bad business is bad business, and no vendor should tolerate OR be silent about shady damages.
Burlesque Mom
7:17 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
VEP is NOT a vendor. That is where you are wrong. VEP is a PERFORMER just like a band, or a comedian, or otherwise. PERFORMERS are responsible to promoter their show, to bring people in because of their following, etc. VEP didn't bring in people yet still demanded their HIGHLY overrated fees, VEP traveled to other venues with their best performers leaving behind their second and third string and yet still demanded their HIGHLY overrated fees. Plus again I will clearly state VEP threatened members of my daughters troupe with PHYSICAL violence in addition to on numerous occasions slandering them and that troupe did NOTHING to VEP. Sorry to say looking at the two sides of the story and seeing how VEP operates first hand I will believe what I have heard from JuJu.
Hortence Jones
8:09 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
"Plus again I will clearly state VEP threatened members of my daughters troupe with PHYSICAL violence in addition to on numerous occasions slandering them and that troupe did NOTHING to VEP." - I STRONGLY doubt all of this, and insist on evidence to back your claims. I pay close attention to all of this, and have seen none of that. Provide some specifics, or please link me to a some of this publicized slander you speak of. I call BS though, you're just reciting hear-say, BS emotional reactive hear-say. And in this sense, you are now slandering VEP with claims of assault, and publicizing it on the same thread which you also animatedly vocalize your distaste for slander and private business issues. Well, back it up with evidence, do something about it, like file a suit or press charges. Or shut up for christ's sake. Oh wait.. it didn't happen to you, or your daughter, you weren't involved.. at all.. but think you know everything about everything, even though you've only ever been a patron or supporter, never an employee. (check JJ's employee turnaround sometime.. HA!). You'll see, Jim will end up in court with his landlord and the state, tens of thousands of dollars will be missing and replaced with a big 'WHOOPS!" scribbled in crayon, and your daughter will be out of a regular gig and still JJ will blame everyone but the man in the mirror, and the state and landlord won't bother to listen because it's all just BS. Just wait a little longer. You'll see.
Burlesque Mom
8:29 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Hortence my daughter and other members all have copies of the screenshots of the facebook conversation in which they were threatened. Their troupe was told if they came anywhere near ANY venue where the great Lola Van Ella performed they would be greeted by a very large group of very LARGE angry men! That's a threat. I obviously can't post the screen shots here cause I have no way to do so.
Burlesque Mom
9:24 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
The truth is Doug you report everything with a slant in an attempt to damage the Jupiter anyway you can. You intimidate, stalk, and harass the owners at every chance you get. Not only is what you are doing slander/libel but possibly CRIMINAL. If you are going to be a "reporter" you have to report neutrally and both sides therefore you would have to show the good with the bad but you don't do that. I PERSONALLY am contacting the people who handle the Patch nationally and letting them know what you are turning their paper into.
Doug Miner
12:48 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Burlesque Mom - My managing editor is Ryan Martin. His email is ryan.martin@patch.com. You can start there if you like.
Burlesque Mom
9:28 am on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Oh and JH as far as your Bourbon street comment, seriously are you that closed minded? Jupiter is not "Bourbon Street" they have a mixture of performances including bands and other things and yes Burlesque which is an ART FORM, they aren't strippers and it isn't an affront to the community. Perhaps if you are that close minded you should try and move to somewhere like Utah or you know just don't patronize the establishment......Burlesque is done multiple places in Saint Louis and the Jupiter does it classier and with more style than ANYONE else. Don't like it? Don't go to the show! I personally PROUDLY support my daughter every night she performs!
William
1:25 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Over and over the mantra from the Joint is that folks who don't like their business model should move or not come in or just look the other way, denying that people who live here have ANYTHING to say about how their city is presented.
Maplewood's 2016 vision supports the idea of a "front porch community" somewhere between Mayberry and Metropolis. One of the city's 5 big goals is to "support healthy, vital and attractive neighborhoods in which residents of all ages and _diverse_ backgrounds are safe and feel comfortable participating in the life of the community." Newsflash: JH is entitled to an opinion. Even if it is <gasp> different than the Joint's.
So take a swig of your own medicine: If you don't like the Patch, just quit reading it. You guys behave more like a hornet's nest rather than as a welcoming member of the community. Quit buzzing and stinging so much and maybe folks will feel more comfortable about having you in the neighborhood.
But as I say, keep talkin. You're doing more harm to yourself than any Patch article ever could, cuz there isn;t anyway it can be construed as libel if you're the one putting it out there.
Burlesque Mom
12:58 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Doug you still can't even admit that you should have as a reporter covered the massive charity event they held for the USO? How is that not news? Or is it not news to you because you can't slant it to do damage to the club? Oh and I won't bother with your local managing editor, I will be contacting the people who run the nationwide "patch" and then lets worthless stalkers with personal agendas like you call themselves "reporters"
Burlesque Mom
1:34 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
First of all I don't work for the Jupiter, not paid by the Jupiter it merely happens to be that my daughter performs there. Maplewood has a say in how their image is presented but this business ADDS to maplewood. This is a classy, well done, beautiful venue which therefore means it is only the close minded sort who would have a problem with it and then no they have no right. It's not a danger, it doesn't devalue the area, it adds something and brings revenue to maplewood. As far a bit of my own medicine papers have a legal obligation to present things truthfully. Whereas the Jupiter isn't hurting anyone or anything except for the delicate sensibilities of the close minded MINORITY, a "newspaper" or "reporter" intentionally trying to harm, defame, or otherwise negatively effect a business is not only wrong but ILLEGAL so therefore it's not the same.
William
1:47 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Good luck making the case, Jim, I mean, Mom, that the Patch is out to get you.
Keep talkin.
Regular Guy
1:52 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
You, Burlesque Mom, are an angry woman.
Maplewood Mom
3:14 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
I am curious, Burlesque Mom, is your daughter one of the "dancers" that was featured in the RFT article this summer? You know, the one with photos of the "performance"? It was a lovely photo of three young women making out in a blow-up kiddie pool. I am a resident of this neighborhood. I have young children. I have no issue with the legitimate performers of this venue. I do have problem with what amounts to the same kind of performance that you would find on the East side. I have a problem with girls that look like they are entering a wet t-shirt contest parading up and down Manchester as I walk to dinner with my family. In my neighborhood. This business is obviously being run poorly. I am a business owner and having your business license pulled several times in a matter of months does not bode well. They also have an incident of operating illegally. I hope your daughter has other job prospects lined up, because it doesn't look good for her.
William
3:46 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
FYI, those links at the RiverFront Times are still up for anybody that wants to see them. Point your browser to www.riverfronttimes.com, search for "Jumpin."
Clearly these performances meet the definition of a "sexually-oriented business" as defined in Maplewood's ordinances (Chapter 4), available on line:
http://library.municode.com/HTML/14510/level2/PTIICOOR_CH4ADEN.html#TOPTITLE
Probably not necessary to point out that businesses defined as sexually-oriented aren't permitted operate in the Community Business District 1 zone where JJ is currently located...
Burlesque Mom
3:23 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
As a matter of fact no she is not and although I was not offended by the show your mentioning that show was something like 6-8 months ago. Currently when it comes
to burlesque they have two shows a Friday Night and a Saturday Night show. My daughter happens to perform in both shows. They are both different but both BURLESQUE. The Friday night show is classic burlesque with a modern twist, their current theme involves basing the performances on movies including everything from Singing in the Rain to ghostbusters. It has a very fun, lighthearted style to it. The other show is what you would
Imagine of a Vegas style burlesque show very true to the roots of burlesque. Both are definitely art, comedy, theater shows not like the short running more riskee show they had in the summer. They also no longer do street advertising or anything of the sort although in my opinion nothing I saw from before was so terrible if you acknowledge we no longer live in the 50s and you aren't trying to shelter your children from the world. Regardless they two very different shows that everyone loves, they have had some snafoos but many newer businesses do they just don't often have someone trying to attack them and air their "growing pains" to the whole world as a personal attack. So if you have no problem with "legitimate" performers not doing anything like the show you mention then you should come see either of my daughters shows because you'd see how great they are!
Maplewood Mom
3:50 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Thanks for the info. I am glad to hear that the performances are back on track. The street advertising was definitely out of line. I am the mother of an 8 year old girl. The last thing I need her to see is a group of women on the street in fishnets and cropped tops. I am perfectly aware of the age we live in, but there is no reason for this kind of display. Sexuality is thrown at our children constantly. They are obviously going to be exposed to many things in their lifetime, but I don't see the need to throw it in their faces at a young age. I moved to this neighborhood for the family friendly community. Residents should be able to shop or have dinner with their families and not have to explain what these women are doing on the sidewalk.
Jh
4:28 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Yo Jims Mom, I'm just going on what was offered up as a "rationale" for JJ. Some half-baked notion of St.Louis as a little brother to New Orleans and how great it would be to have that kind of Bourbon Street atmosphere somewhere.
Burlesque Mom
4:34 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
William as a matter of fact during that particular set of shows Missouri Alcohol Board people came in to check up on legality and as a matter of fact there were NO violations. I know that for a fact. So not only does the venue itself not qualify under that statute not even did those performances qualify under that statute. Not to mention the fact if we are going to get into that discussion that statute is a gross violation of the first amendment and ridiculous it was even passed in this day and age. However regardless the Jumpin Jupiter is in fact NOT that type of business and you like mr "reporter" apparently just seem to have some personal problem with the venue and thankfully in this country a few close-minded idiots with personal issues cannot violate the rights of others.
William
5:07 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
BM, just to be clear. I wasn't talking about criminal activity; I was only referencing zoning ordinances within Maplewood. The way I read the code of ordinances, Adult Cabarets are perfectly legal in Maplewood; it's just that they are restricted to a particular zoning classification, namely HM (Heavy Manufacturing). I would not have expected the Alcohol Board to care one way or the other about the zoning classification of the JuJo's current address, only that they are operating with a current liquor license and are not breaking any criminal statues.
Zoning ordinances insure that none of us in residential areas have to live next to a rock crusher or that a billard hall goes in right next to a church. So, no, I don't have personal problem with the JuJo except they seem to be operating a HM business in the CB1 zone. There's no infringement on the First Amendment beyond what everybody in Maplewood lives with--the zoning map specifies for all of us what we can or cannot do at our place of business or residence.
Bottom line: Pasties and wet T shirts aren't currently an allowed use in the CB1 district. Course, I'm no lawyer, and the ultimate determination is up to the council and city attorney, but the language is pretty straightforward to anybody that wants to bother reading it.
Burlesque Mom
4:39 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
FYI I am not "Jim's Mom" I am the mother of one of the PERFORMERS. I would state her name but frankly considering the idiocy of some I don't feel like making her endure attacks. Oh and go ahead and search Jumpin Jupiter on Riverfront Times, or Speakeasy Cinema (the friday show name) or just USO. Not only will you find pictures of the new show that is fantastic but you will also see information about how Friday's show went to benefit the USO of MIssouri. A fact all of you ignore. Just like "reporter" man ignored their multiple nights doing donation drives for Toys for Tots, the fact that they always give free tickets to military personnel, OH and that they have MULTIPLE other charitable events planned in the New Year.
Doug Miner
4:51 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Like many other Maplewood and Brentwood organizations already do, Jumpin Jupiter is more than welcome to post its charitable events here: http://maplewood-brentwood.patch.com/search/announcements
Burlesque Mom
4:41 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Also New Orleans is an amazing city FULL of culture, music, history, and more. Filled with open minded awesome people. A city also declared one of the best places for a single mother to live to raise a family because of schools, safety, jobs and more. Saint Louis could have all that and more but we attack business's employing people and bringing culture to the community and we are considered one of the most dangerous cities in the COUNTRY. We share a lot of history with New Orleans but yet we don't prosper the same way....so why would it be so terrible if we had a little New Orleans in Saint Louis hmmm?
Burlesque Mom
4:59 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
NO DOUG, you as a REPORTER should REPORT what is TRUE and HONEST and NEUTRAL. Unless you think your little blog is more important than KSDK, KMOV, the Riverfront Times, etc. because they all covered it because it was NEWS. It wasn't some little half ass event, they gave out hundreds of tickets to the USO when all the troops came in for the holidays and furthermore made the night a benefit for the USO. That's news, but again YOU didn't "REPORT" it because you couldn't use it as a way to try to hurt the Jupiter. I see right through you.
Maplewood Mom
5:16 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Wow, Burlesque Mom. You seem to be going off the deep end a bit here. You do realize that the city and county of St. Louis are two separate entities. When you hear the reports that St. Louis is one of the most dangerous, it is based on city statistics. Not county.
While it is great that JJ has held a wonderful charitable event, you can't argue the fact that they also have had a lot of problems. Not paying taxes, not paying performers, operating illegally without a license. I think the residents of Maplewood are entitled to this info. I hope they can pull it together and be successful. I have heard good things as well as the bad. I would hate to see a Maplewood business fail and have another empty space on a prominent corner.
Burlesque Mom
5:23 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
It's not an adult cabaret it hosts tons of different types of performances Burlesque being their primary yes but they also have comedy, music and more. That zoning law would be appropriate it were it some trashy place like Roxy's but that is NOT what it is and anyone who thinks of them similarly clearly has ZERO culture. Additionally aside from the one routine over HALF A YEAR ago there hasn't been any wet t-shirts. Apparently they are zoned just fine because I am pretty sure if they weren't it would have been figured out in the time they have been open. Also this is the thing Maplewood Mom you are going off of the SLANT that Doug is putting on stories not the truth and THAT is why it is slander and libel, he is intentionally slanting stories to make them worse than what they are. All new businesses experience growing pains they just don't usually have someone documenting every single one to try to damage the business all hidden under the guise of "reporting". Also again my daughter has been performing their for months and has never NOT gotten paid. However without knowing both sides of all the things you mentioned and only having the grossly misrepresented information that Doug presents doesn't allow people to make a fair decision or properly judge. This is why I am aggravated. I am sorry but there are a reason slander & libel laws exist and the first amendment. It's so you cant just go around saying whatever you want to hurt a business because you dont like it.
William
11:29 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Okay, let's step through this.
Definition of Adult Cabaret (from the ordinances mentioned earlier): Adult cabaret means a nightclub, bar, restaurant, or similar commercial establishment which regularly features:
(1) Persons who appear seminude;
(the rest redacted for space considerations, but you can go look if you want)
Seminude is defined as well and obviously includes pasties and wet t-shirts.
So if there are pasties or wet t-shirts at the JJ, the definition of Adult Cabaret is going to apply. And if it's an Adult Cabaret, then it's subject to zoning regulations applicable to "sexually-oriented business," including specific zoning requirements.
Follow me?
So, for the sake of discussion, does your daughter or any of her colleagues ever dance in pasties?
Maplewood Mom
5:36 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
If you Google JJ, there are several articles by other reputable news agencies such as KMOV and stltoday as well as the RFT that have reported on the various eviction notices, skanky summer performances (complete with photos), and unpaid tax issues. If you read the KMOV article, it is primarily about the unpaid taxes and revoked business license. There is one final line about the fundraiser. Do you also consider these other articles "slanted reporting"? I get that you are trying your hardest to support your daughter and that is great, but you are starting to come off as a little unhinged.
Jh
5:41 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Nobody here believes you are anybodies mother. New Orleans IS open minded. Like the time I saw a a middle aged guy holding hands with a (maybe) teenage girl, in the Garden District. Is that the kinf of open mindedness you're talking about?
Burlesque Mom
5:43 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
First of all you have no right to call anyone "SKANKY" unless you are perfect so you can cut that shit right there. Despite the fact my daughter wasn't one of the performers in that show no woman should have to suffer degrading attacks from anyone regardless of what you think of their "performance" or "job". As far as those other agencies most of them reported those stories MONTHS ago and reported it once, not 8 stories about the same thing while the reporter stalked the owners, taking photos without permission, lurking outside of the venue at all hours and more that is not reporting that is STALKING. As far as RECENT stories KSDK and KMOV both did nothing but a nice long piece about the new show/benefit as did the RFT. Yes they did a show some people didn't like 6 months ago and yes they have had some growing pains, that doesn't give Doug the right to slander them, libel them, stalk them, harass them, etc.
Burlesque Mom
5:55 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
I don't care if anyone BELIEVES I am anyone's mother, come to the show Friday and I will gladly introduce myself and my daughter. JH maybe that was his daughter, or maybe it wasn't, if it was legal it wasn't your place to judge and if illegal the same things happen elsewhere. At least they embrace both their history and the 21st century way of thinking, they embrace culture and art and music, etc.
Maplewood Mom
5:56 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Seriously? Check it out:
skank·y
/ˈskaNGkē/
Adjective
Very unpleasant; revolting.
Sleazy; sordid.
No one is perfect, but yes, I consider three women in a blow-up kiddie pool on a stage making out and pouring drinks on one another skanky. What would your definition be? This kind of performance has no place in a residential neighborhood. Obviously, you are not a Maplewood resident.
Ryan Martin
5:57 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Folks, I'd very much appreciate it if everyone could cool off a little bit and not resort to name-calling. Disagreement is certainly fine, but let's try to make our comments as constructive as possible. Thank you for understanding.
Lincoln Douglas
7:37 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Mr. Martin,
Please don't let Patch promote Mr. Miner. Maplewood needs him. Maybe they can just bump his pay grade but keep him on the same beat for as long as possible.Surely he's having a ball reporting stories such as this!
Burlesque Mom
6:03 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Maybe I am, Maybe I am not, I certainly wouldn't put it out there so Doug could stalk me as well. Additionally Maplewood Mom guess what my daughter was not in that performance, not in that show, they don't do that show anymore and it was ONE performance out of a whole show. You all want to call me unhinged? You all are clinging to crap from half a year ago and the reporter himself is stalking, harrassing and otherwise attacking people.
Ryan I don't know what your affiliation with this paper is, if you are an editor or above Doug perhaps you should get your reporter under control before you all end up being sued if not arrested. Seriously that's the funniest thing Doug is attacking the Jupiter for how they do business while he is breaking the law, stalking people, harrassing people, committing slander/libel and more.
Burlesque Mom
6:05 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Ryan you have this posted on your page.
Your Beliefs
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Doug has been failing at that mission for MONTHS!
Jh
7:38 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
Well lets put it this Jims Mom, I knew they werent father/daughter just like I knew the leather boys in town that weekend in New Orleans werent Jehovahs Witnessess. It doesny take too savvy a person to suss things out. Since you are so keen on people being non-judgemental, please do not deign to lecture me on New Orleans.
Burlesque Mom
11:53 pm on Sunday, December 30, 2012
JH and William both of you are missing the point and can now easily be lumped in with the slanted view of the reporter. The Jupiter has been in business for over a year so apparently they are zoned just fine, what one random person did in New Orleans means nothing. Here is the point the Jupiter has had some growing pains but they have made it through them. They have continued to survive and work hard, they employ people and pay taxes, they present shows and etc. that people enjoy and bring revenue into the city. They even have done multiple charitable events. The bottom line is they are open, they are legal and Doug is nothing but someone trying to do everything he can to attack them under the guise of reporting. I am done responding to this because obviously all three of you are close minded people who have personal issues with the business and won't just let them be. I personally hope Jim sues the crap out of Doug and the patch and continues to function if nothing else to spite all of you and as long as he does ill be there front row cheering on my daughter and her friends
Jh
12:33 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
Jims Mom, you're confusing being close minded, with an unwillingness to put up witth cheesy bullshit.
Jh
12:34 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
.....They arent necessarily the same.
Bart Karnowsk
11:08 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
You're right, B-mom DM is clearly trying to bring down the JJ, and the best way to start a mass bring-down of a business is the mighty local Patch. See, when a business is slimy and the owner has shown no sense of leadership in the area, people will tend to not like them. Its easy to throw out terms like you have, with no backing or facts. Doug is doing a fine job. I'm not sure who you are the mother of, but that doesn't really matter. JJ has had numerous issues, such as the dancers on the sidewalk, and those girls making out in the tub. Yeah, they may host a charity event now and then, but that is far and away outweighed by the shotty way the business is run and represented. Your arguments are cute at best, just like the business practices of the JJ.
Mr. Completely
11:33 am on Monday, December 31, 2012
This whole debate about J.J. reminds me of the story about an old lady who called the sheriff to complain that her next door neighbor was walking around naked, drinking whiskey straight form the bottle and making love to his very young girl friend. The sheriff immediately went to the complainant’s home to investigate.
The woman repeated her story, pointed out her dining room window at her neighbor’s house and asked; have you ever seen the likes of that? The sheriff replied, sorry ma’am I don’t see anything unusual. The complainant said; you need to get on top of the dinner table, pull back the valance and creek your neck to the left.
Thomas Gibson
12:31 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
I have been to JJ a few times. Nothing bad going on there. If yu do not wnat to see foxy women dancing, do not go. But allow us that want to to go to a very good safe place. By the way, the owner is agreat guy and will treat you right. great burgers also!
Jh
1:49 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
Mr. Completely, its more like having a neighbor that the police are always visiting. But I wouldnt expect either you or Mr. Gibson to understand that, as I doubt either one of you live around the corner from the JJ. Not that the police are always at JJ, but it is that kind of I dunno, I guess disrespect maybe, thats off puting. Seriously what does it take to be a good neighbor? And why act like a victim when you get called on the carpet for not being a good neighbor?
Thomas Gibson
2:35 pm on Monday, December 31, 2012
That I do not get either Jh. No, I live in Brentwood so I do not see the stuff going on there all the time. I just know when I have been there nothing like that is happening. If it is then you have to do something about it if you want. Go to the Maplewood board of alderman meetings and state your case. Only way you will truly be heard.
Mr. Completely
6:45 am on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
If you live "around the corner from JJ" you also live around the corner from 2 pawn shops, a 24 hour dinner, grocery store, pizza carry out, brewery, on and on. Sounds like you made a poor choice when you decided to move to that area.
What does it take to be a good neighbor, you ask. Kindly share with us some examples where JJ has not been a good neighbor. Please spare us the run down of late sales tax payments and what happens INSIDE the business-those issues have been hashed and rehashed and don't have any impact on the neighborhood.
Are your taxes paid? What did you do INSIDE your home last night, oh, none of my business you say, sorry I forgot this is America.
Jh
12:18 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
None of those businesses attract and generate the
drama that JJ does. Sorry, you forgot your point.
Jh
12:28 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
....also EVERY ONE of those businesses you mentioned provides some service to the community, and I have patronized EVERY ONE of those businesses you mentioned. Its more than money in/money out that makes a good neighbor. By your estimation, if Jims Mom was running a straight up brothel at the corner of Manchester and Sutton, but was quiet as a mouse and made no waves, I should be content with that. I guess thats one way to think about the place that one lives, but in the long run I think it makes for a worse place to live.
Mr. Completely
2:50 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
OK lets get down to the point.
A business does not need your approval Jh, to be in business. You act as though the code in Maplewood says you and everyone else "around the corner" needs to approve of JJ if they are to be allowed to locate where they are. Wrong.
You don't have a point. You don't like JJ and you have made a hobby out of complaining about it. Its a private company operating a business within the law. Next.
Jh
4:30 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Well, actually in Maplewood, if enough fuss and complaint is made a business WILL need some public spproval, or at least some acknowledgement of a problem/conflict and mitigation. Case in point, QT and its moving. So.... not sure what you are on about. I'm petfectly willing to put up with JJ, so long as they prove themselves a good neighbor. Just like I have to prove myself a good neighbor. And trust me, I do. You do too, wherever you may live.
Mr. Completely
4:43 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
OK Jh here's what I'm "on about".
Quick trip is trying to move from one location to another. JJ is already in business at their location. The two have nothing whatsoever to do with each other.
We're still waiting for that list of your examples of where JJ has not been a good neighbor to you. See if you are going to make a fuss with the city of Maplewood, the local newspaper, your spouse, whoever they need facts in order to address your concerns. Please state the facts behind your claims so that JJ and everyone else can address them and solve your issues or concerns.
Jh
5:38 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Read all those Patch articlea for some facts.
When I had to explain to my 6 year old daughter what half dressed girls were doing on the corner, JJs "business" became my business. Thats another fact.
Burlesque Mom
6:15 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
JH first of all that was a one time promotion that was never repeated from what I understand. Also I know what time those shows are performed and maybe you shouldn't have your 6 year old out so late. Also I saw what they were wearing and I've seen girls wear less at charity car washes, or just walking around the mall or any bar in saint Louis. They show more on prime time tv. So unfortunately in the grand scheme of things it's NOT your business because they were operating COMPLETELY within the law and therefore your delicate sensibilities don't matter. Also as I said it was ONE NIGHT over a half a year ago, MOVE ON, NOTHING they have done since makes them a "bad neighbor". Also FYI I'm getting sick of you calling me Jim's mom, I gladly stated I'm the mother of a performer.
Jh
6:29 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
I thought you were done here? As it is, your attitude is about what I would expect from somebody who neither lives in Maplewood or has children.
Lincoln Douglas
7:25 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Wow. This truly fascinating stuff for the tiny town of Maplewood. If Mr. Miner is guilty of any bias, it's that he has a nose for news. I'm sure that if Schlafly or Wal-Mart exhibited similar shoddy business acumen, we would be hearing about it as well. Thank you for keeping the public informed of what is happening in our neighborhood!
And Burlesque Mom, please step away from the keyboard. I think you've written more comments than Patch has articles about the JJ, and you're not really helping your case at this point. Is Patch really the cause of the JJ's troubles? Really?? If Mr. Callahan had taken care of business in the first place (i.e., paid his taxes just like everyone else), his now legendary quotes would have never seen print, and he never would have appeared on reporters' radar. I hope that he's learned his lesson and will strive to operate his business responsibly in the new year. If not, then I look forward to seeing what the future holds for Maplewood's most visible storefront in the business district. I'd much rather see a pizza parlor at that spot. Or perhaps a proper music venue. The stage in there is really quite nice, and I'd love to see people with actual talent use it.
Hortence Jones
8:26 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Bravo, Mr. Douglas. That stage has had some serious, global and award winning talent on it.. Most of whom won't stoop low enough to perform there now. A new pizza joint might draw them in for a slice at least.
Burlesque Mom
8:32 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Hortence if the talent you speak of is VEP which is CLEARLY who you are talking about you have GOT to be kidding. They are the product of good marketing and that is all. Again I will put my daughter and her troupe against VEP any day because they may not have been doing it as long but they do it with more originality, class, style, beauty then VEP could dream of. Oh and they don't have the same holier than thou undeserved diva attitude that Lola does.
Hortence Jones
9:05 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
B-mom - Some are on VEP payroll, some are just friends of and perform as guests, some are just independant and brought in for showcases there. I speak of persons who have been peer reviewed by the national community, been provided with awards and status' like "Winner -New Orleans Burlesque Festival" and "Best choreography -Viva Las Vegas Festival" to name just a few.. opinions and reviews that have clout.. not reviews by their moms LOL, and gained praise from their peers as well as their common audiences. There are several performers who have global recognition, who also travel and perform full time (as a career) that have graced that stage. Regardless of your opinion on the matter. Do you know Lola? I do.. she is pro and far from diva. She deserves the honorable recognition she has gained.
Burlesque Mom
9:27 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
I have met Lola, my daughter and others have dealt with her and her "posse", I have seen Lola's show. She doesn't deserve half if ANY of the recognition she has gained. She is the product of good marketing and good timing that is all. She slams on anyone who isn't part of her fold. Given the time and the chance any ONE of the performers in my daughters troupe can and WILL earn the same recognition. From what I know Lola was at one time an actual east side stripper in the end the performers in my daughters troupe are better looking, more original, better dancers and have BETTER ATTITUDES than Lola on any given day and TWICE on Sunday. That's not just me that's week after week sold out crowds talking too. Oh and these girls perform EVERY Friday and continue to bring people in, they don't just repeat the same performance with different music once a month and call it new. Also they have done stuff for the USO now, Toys for Tots, Saint Louis Effort For Aids and soon Breast Cancer and other charities because they want to give BACK and do something good. Never seen ANY of VEP's shows do ANYTHING for Charity of course they are too busy charging 3 times what they are worth to do that.
Hortence Jones
11:49 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
Hilarious, none of that is worth addressing it's such nonsense. You should take this act of yours on a stage Mom. Sorry for my lack of filter, but your ignorance and hypocritical rants deserve an article all to themselves on the patch. Enjoy your bubble while it lasts Burlesque Mom and Co., I and many others who departed from the JJ last year will be accelling by doing our own thing across a dozen other stages in Saint Louis, and several more across the country. I suppose you'll be displeased to hear some of VEP are booked to headline a huge burlyq festival in New Zeland this year.. somehow with their poor attitudes, lack of class, unoriginal acts and undeserved recognition they still get booked. (sarcasm) Be well B-Mom, take a Valium though, or do some yoga. I'm putting the keyboard away now.
Jh
9:41 pm on Tuesday, January 1, 2013
I'm curious as to what "troupe" is at JJ, because a quick perusal of JJs website mentions no "troupe".
Mr. Completely
10:10 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
OK, Jh you have listed your personal examples of how JJ has been a poor neighbor as follows:
“When I had to explain to my 6 year old daughter what half dressed girls were doing on the corner, JJs "business" became my business.”
I speak only for myself however I’m quite sure that neither the City of Maplewood, the State of Missouri or even JJ themselves or anyone else on the planet are required to filter what your daughter sees on a street corner, that would be your job.
Problem solved. Happy New Year!
William
10:37 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
@Mr. Completely: "...neither the city of Maplewood...or even JJ themselves or anyone else on the planet are required to filter what your daughter sees on a street corner..."
Well, not exactly. Maplewood's code is pretty straightforward: "The facility in which the sexually oriented business is located shall be designed in such a fashion that all openings, entries and windows prevent view into such facilities from any pedestrian, sidewalk, walkway, street or other public area. No activity shall take place partially or totally outside the sexually oriented business." [Chapter 56-917]
The question, of course, is whether or not JuJo's current business model has morphed beyond what the Council approved in JuJo's conditional use permit dated December 14, 2010. If it has, then JH has every right and expectation that Maplewood will enforce it's duly approved ordinances. That's part of the contract all citizens have with their city government.
Jh
10:54 am on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Correct, that is my job, BUT when undue and outside influences are brought into the equation, I then become much more entitled to an opinion than somebody who doesn't haven't children or live in Maplewood. Happy New Year indeed, you self professd know it all.
Mr. Completely
12:45 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Jh, yes I agree. We are all entitled to an opinion, not our own set of facts. You are short on facts and sooner or later you are going to have to come to terms with the idea that you not liking something is a matter of personal opinion and does not create an event that requires any action from anyone.
Have you done anything to advance you position against JJ other than making wild blog posts on the Patch? Thats not going to be very effective. I suggest you quit posting your issues here and write a letter to JJ. Address whatever ONGOING concerns you have. Copy the letter to your alderman, mayor, govenor. whoever. AGAIN, they will want facts. They can't address how you FEEL about a business. This is America, you and JJ equally enjoy the legal pursuit of any dream as well as the right to feel whatever your feel.
I consider this matter about JJ closed and thank god I have the choice to stop reading and bloging about this worn out issue.
Jennifer S.
12:31 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
I am also a resident of Maplewood and mother to a 7yr old child. The nights the performers were on street corner was 9pm - that is not too late to have your child out and quite frankly it is offensive and sickens me that we had to walk past scantily clad women on the way back from dinner. I then had to try to explain that to my 7 yr old. I am all for burlesque, expressing yourself through dance etc. - but I do not think Maplewood is the place where this type of business should exist. They should move to Washington downtown or over to the east side. I love Maplewood - have lived here for over 12 years and this type of business does not fit in our town. I think the space itself is beautiful and it would be better suited for a nice restaurant, a place where bands could perform etc. I think the owner is unstable based on the interviews etc. and the pictures of the blow up kiddie pool were so cheesy and disgusting. They just need to shut down and go away - move on!
Burlesque Mom
12:40 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
William seriously the horse you are beating is already dead and starting to stink. The Jupiter is NOT a sexually oriented business, its model has NOT changed, therefore none of the laws you are quoting apply. I am sorry you are so hell bent on thinking it's zoned wrong but it was zoned over a year ago and NOTHING has changed.
William
3:33 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Certainly the JuJo was not considered a sexually-oriented business by the city of Maplewood or it wouldn't have been granted an operating license at the corner of Manchester and Sutton; sexually-oriented businesses can't operate in the CB1 District. JuJo was granted their operating license by means of a Conditional Use authorization in December of 2010 that modified the definition of CB1 to include "cabaret-style dinner restaurant." It's clear that neither the council nor the Planning & Zoning commission understood that JuJo would be approaching the definition of a sexually-oriented business or they couldn't have granted the use variance without also amending other sections of the code pertaining to sexually-oriented businesses which states that such businesses can *only* operate in the HM zone.
But there is a revocation process for conditional use permits that could come into play if the JuJo is subsequently found by the P&Z/Council to be operating outside their conditional use permit (e.g., as an adult cabaret featuring seminude dancing), regardless of when it started or for how long. If JuJo's conditional-use permit is revoked, they can't continue to operate in CB1.
And here's the thing: The revocation process is complaint-driven. The more sand JuJo throws and the more insults they hurl makes it all the more likely that somebody in the community is going to start that process (if they haven't already).
As I said when all this started, "keep talkin."
Burlesque Mom
12:45 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Jennifer S first of all it was one NIGHT (not nightS plural) that the performers were out there and they were COMPLETELY covered more so than you may see anywhere else in Saint Louis. Additionally unfortunately this attitude of "Maplewood is not the place" is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The Jupiter is a wealth more upscale and positive for the "great city of Maplewood" than a pawn shop or other businesses in that area. Bands DO perform at the Jupiter and they serve amazing food so therefore it fits everything you have said. Additionally the kiddie pool thing was ONE performance in a show they ran over HALF A YEAR ago seriously all of you need to stop clinging to stuff that isn't even RELEVANT anymore. Burlesque is an ART FORM, and the Jupiter is one of the NICEST venues in Saint Louis because of how they run and what the ownership did to make it that way its not some cheesy strip club for the east side or even anything to put downtown. It's unfortunate you are such a close minded person because I am sure your daughter will grow up with the same close-mindedness you clearly show here. Thankfully based on the law and the constitution your ignorance will not affect the AMAZING Jumpin Jupiter where my daughter performs and they will continue to thrive. Your close minded ignorance can't force a business to close or move anymore than those of us who have actually ENTERED the 21st century can make you move for being a backwards thinking waste of breath.
Jennifer S.
1:18 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Wow, you are clearly unstable and probably need to seek professional help. First of all, let me clarify that there have been women out there multiple times - I live around the corner. They would hang out outside on the corner to drum up business. Hmmm - and that is reflective of an upscale business? I don't recall any other restaurant or venue in Maplewood resorting to that desperation. I also know someone that was at a show there recently and there were people dressed up as those "stuffies" - which I mean whatever floats your boat but let's not call this an "art form" an adult dressing up in an animal suit which we all know wasn't for a kids bday party. You know nothing about me, so to personally attack me and then make assumptions about myself and my daughter is really a sad commentary on your life. I actually do feel sorry for you - whomever you are, because we all know you are not the mom of the burlesque performer. I will applaud the day this cheesy venue goes out of business once and for all and we can all move on.
Burlesque Mom
1:45 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Jennifer what do you do for a living hmm? I am certain you do not have a background in art, music, dance or otherwise that qualifies you to determine what is or isn't art. Also I am pretty sure the routine you are referring to was when one of the performers in the Friday night show was dressed up like "Slimer" from "Ghostbusters" as its a MOVIE themed burlesque show. Also I don't care if you have a tent set up next to the Jumpin Jupiter the street promotion was a ONE time thing, the only other time there would be performers outside is if they would be SMOKING. Also why would I lie about being the mother of a performer? It would be easier for me if I were a random but I wholeheartedly admit that my daughter performers there. Also why is it cheesy? Because you say it is? Well sorry lady but your close minded bigoted opinion isn't worth a hill of beans in the real world. I have lived in Maplewood and now still live close and I can without a shadow of a doubt say as far as class, style, etc. the Jumpin Jupiter is the NICEST place in that town. You should be HAPPY such a place chose to call Maplewood it's home.
Lincoln Douglas
1:53 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
It seems that some of the definitions in this discussion of what the JJ does are a bit subjective. Let's examine the municipal code (http://library.municode.com/index.aspx?clientId=14510). Section 4.20 states:
"Adult cabaret means a nightclub, bar, restaurant, or similar commercial establishment which regularly features: (1) Persons who appear seminude; (2) Live performances which are characterized by the exposure of specified anatomical areas or by specified sexual activities; or (3) Films, motion pictures, videocassettes, slides or other photographic reproductions which are distinguished or characterized by the exhibition or display of specified sexual activities or specified anatomical areas. "
In addition,
"Seminude or in a seminude condition means the showing of the female breast below a horizontal line across the top of the areola at its highest point or the showing of the male or female buttocks. This definition shall include the entire lower portion of the human female breast...provided the areola is not exposed in whole or in part."
If burlesque is performed as commonly understood (i.e., dancing and stripping down to panties and pasties), then the JJ is an adult cabaret and likely subject to the applicable zoning. Sec 4.84 states that such a business must be in an HM zone. It's moot though since the city is taking a laissez-faire attitude toward enforcement. If the JJ troupes are doing something that doesn't fit this description, well that's just boring.
Jh
6:12 pm on Wednesday, January 2, 2013
Mr. Completely doesnt like that I dont like...... Oy Vey. And then tries to tell me what to do. The fact of the matter is, Jim Callahan is doing a prettty good job of proving there is a fine line between pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, and hoisting yourselff by your own petard And hey, if the the JJ gets it shit together, and acts like it has some respect for the neighbors, it matters to me not one wit, that its there.
maplewood4ever
2:03 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
Burlesque Mom = JJ owner. Let's get real. Too many details on the business that a staff person's mom would be privy to. It's actually pretty funny.
Burlesque Mom
2:14 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
No I am not either of the JJ Owner's. As far as details my Daughter has performed there two nights a week and rehearsed 2 others for over 6 months. One of the two shows she performs in one of the JJ owners ALSO performs in and I have an open relationship with my daughter where we talk about everything. Not to mention I have become friends with Jim and the other owners and talk to them often. Why is that such a stretch of the imagination? Again here's what funny about this....ALL OF YOU are missing the point.
MONTHS ago Jupiter made the final payment to VEP (however undeserved), the show everyone keeps referencing ran for only a couple weeks with ONE night of street advertising and that was OVER SIX MONTHS AGO, they are also now COMPLETELY up to date on their taxes. They have squared away everything, most of which was a long time ago!
That proves clearly two things. One those of you continuing to attack and harp on the same stupid dated crap would look for any excuse to attack the JJ based purely on your own close minded backwards thinking ways. Two Doug Miner is NOT a reporter he is a stalker, a slandering libelist, a CREEPER, and someone out trying to personally do damage to a business he does not like.
Doug Miner
2:38 pm on Thursday, January 3, 2013
I think at this point everyone has had their say. So to prevent this stream from spiraling downward into further name-calling on both sides, comments are now closed. Thanks all, for your contributions.